Undesireables on the road

Discussion in 'Trip Planning' started by bigphish, Sep 5, 2017.

  1. braindead0

    braindead0 Head Fisherman

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    50 years of camping, never had a run in with 'undesirables'. IMO the risk is way overstated, you hear a lot about the one camping trip that went south.. and nothing about the millions of camping trips that go fine. Certainly some areas are going to be riskier than others, understand the risks and manage them with the tools/skills you have available.
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  2. DirtyOldMan

    DirtyOldMan Long timer

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    Never been to some of the exotic places lots of ya'll have, but I've camped all over Tennessee, Mississippi, Arkansas, and Missouri . No one's ever asked me to the prom.
    If I camp alone I keep a pistol in the tent though. My only objective with that would be to convince someone to leave me alone long enough to pack up and leave.
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  3. ricochetrider

    ricochetrider MotoMojo

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    Yep, this. Most people, and by "most" I mean like 99.999% are OK, especially at up close & personal levels. Even someone who, at first glance, given whatever signs, might SEEM potentially whacko, are probably OK if you give them a minute or two, AND TREAT THEM AS YOU WOULD ANYONE ELSE. Watch out for that tiny tiny % of whomever is left over- but I've never seen them in all my life of camping. Or traveling in general, for that matter.

    In general, you get back that which you put forth into the world, so act normal and get normal in return. At least that is my experience.
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  4. drifter01

    drifter01 Jack of some trades.

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    I have run into a couple of shifty folks in my years of camping and travel, but I have yet to be confronted by a situation that got out of hand. I do tend to research my trips and stay out of sketchy places. The most recent one was a guy in Arkansas that rode a 50cc scooter up to our camp and wouldn't leave us alone for a day or so. (annoying and sketchy, but not dangerous) I figure most people are OK, however I do exercise my 2nd amendment rights when I travel. Situational awareness is good policy.
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  5. jonz

    jonz Miles are my mantra

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    The worst I've ever experienced were loud drunks. Earplugs help except when I was one of the loud drunks :freaky
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  6. Phoenix101

    Phoenix101 Long timer

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    Remember some places there are no LEO available for an hour or two (or longer)... plus NO phone service to call for help.... Our plan is to pack up and retreat... if they won't let you retreat or things spin out of control too quickly, we carry a 2nd amendment solution for that....our feeling rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
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  7. bigphish

    bigphish Curiously Satisfying

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    I love this!!
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  8. flei

    flei cycletherapist

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    I have been travelling and camping for about 50 years and never had a serious incident anywhere in the world. The few issues I have ever had were disturbances caused by drunks who were too loud or obnoxious and when asked to "chill" became belligerent. I am quite good with ending conflict with my words and I'm no fighter, but I have found that physical confrontation with someone who is quite drunk can usually be ended quite quickly and easily.

    For example:
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  9. RatAssassin

    RatAssassin Been here awhile

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    I spend 40-60 nights out a year on backpacking and paddling trips. Been this way for decades. I'm entering my 41st year of wilderness travel

    Only once did I ever have a problem where we heard Quads crashing through illegal trails into campsites meant for canoe travel only. This was in a huge forest, not an actual campground of any kind. Along the Namakagon in WI.
    They showed up just before dark and demanded we pack our shit and get out of there so they could use the site. We had been there for a few hours already and had just finished up dinner.
    This resulted in a very uncomfortable half hour stare down, where the group would frequently break off into little groups and whisper among themselves while stink-eyeing us as others continued the intimidation. All I had on my side was a hidden assisted folder, out and at the ready. The other couple we were with had nothing, but the guy was ready in case something went down to protect our wives. It was tense, but in the end, I demanded they leave because I refused to leave on a river in the dark.
    That was the only time I ever had anything happen, but do a search on "The Ely 6". Bad shit happens in the back country sometimes.
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  10. lhendrik

    lhendrik Putins Puppet

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    What is " a hidden assisted folder?"





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  11. RatAssassin

    RatAssassin Been here awhile

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    It was a folding knife with a 4 1/2" blade I had out and concealed by the log I was sitting on.
    It used to be that I felt the safest in the deep woods and revered it as a place of total comort for me.
    That incident ruined it. Needless to say.....Nobody slept that night.
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  12. willfreely

    willfreely Elderly Belligerent

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    Never had a problem camping in over 45 yrs of backpack, car camping and motorcycle travels.

    The only time I was really concerned was at a seedy motel (god I love them) near Little Rock on a cross country bike trip. Walking the parking lot to spot any potential security issues to my bike it occurred to me that I was probably the baddest mofo at the motel, at that moment anyway.
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  13. Menhir

    Menhir Adventurer

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    I've never had a problem, at least not with belligerent people. Annoying loud people at nearby campsites, yes. Earplugs, then.

    I only camp at regular sites...I don't stealth camp. I don't mind primitive sites either. At least I can probably count on a ranger passing through at some point.

    But some of those sites can be pretty remote and at the beginning and end of the season, pretty sparsely populated.

    Still, one time pays for all. I exercise my 2nd ammendment rights. I'm trained in that arena, too. I've also been a long time martial arts instructor, but I'd highly prefer not to have to use either of those options.

    I'm sort of a minimalist camper. When I'm camping for the night along the way, most of the stuff stays on the bike. I can deal with stuff if I have too, but I can quickly leave, too.
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  14. foxtrapper

    foxtrapper Long timer

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    That, all by itself, takes care of almost all of it.
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  15. justrider

    justrider Been here awhile

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  16. justrider

    justrider Been here awhile

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    Moving my site depending on how difficult the subject is ,alcohol level and how many people are with them.
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  17. Schmokel

    Schmokel I got peed on today.

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    As much as everyone says how safe they are out camping, the idea of stealth camping scares the shit outta me. In my area of the country, I can ride solid into the woods for an hour, not see one other person for a day, and still be freaked out. Not sure if its too much TV or movies. Or things I've read. I love the idea of riding dead into the Green Mountains, setting up a hammock in the middle of freaking nowhere, and kicking back at the campfire by myself. But man, I'd be freaking the hell out with every noise I heard.
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  18. tennistime99

    tennistime99 Been here awhile

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    Camping with my sister and 2 nieces in Alaska one time we found a beautiful spot on a lake to camp. We were the only campers there for the first night, the second night I listened to an incredibly loud vehicle driving down the dirt road accompanied by telling and gunshots. I could hear it coming for 5 minutes or more, it was that loud. Hoping they'd stop or travel on to another site I was really bummed when they choose our campground.
    After idling and revving their engine they finally shut down, loudly set up camp and commenced to drinking and trying to skip bullets across the lake. It was after midnight and there was no way we were going to break down the pop up and draw attention to ourselves. About 2am they loudly proclaimed they were going looking for women and took off in their loud truck yelling and shooting again. I could hear them drive through the Campground across the lake from us and then finally back towards town. They came back about 4am but were relatively quiet other than their truck.
    Woke up to pee the next morning and by the time I got back my sister had the pop up down and hooked to the mini van and the nieces buckled for travel. I wanted to honk the horn most of the way out of camp but she wouldn't let me.
    The noisy neighbors were laying wherever they'd passed out, not sure if any of them were even in the tent.

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  19. Bugzy

    Bugzy 2014 VStrom DL1000a

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    I have never had any issues on trips, but have turned down some locations if it had a strange vibe about it or if there was fresh bear droppings or shotgun shells laying around. Go with your gut feeling and if things change, don't hesitate to move on.
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  20. akgsa

    akgsa '16 R1200GSA

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    I've had problems, and I have been messed with. I have had to defend myself, and I have made some hasty retreats in the middle of the night. For those who live with their heads blissfully in the clouds...bless you and your ignorance. I feel genuinely happy for you.

    I find that traveling in groups helps tremendously. I find that being nice and respectful helps tremendously. I find that having some knowledge and experience in the language and practice of violence to be far more comforting that putting in earplugs and sticking my head in the clouds. Being prepared, aware, and avoiding unnecessary risks makes for far better odds.
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