What is an electric motorcyle ? ?

Discussion in 'Electric Motorcycles' started by shrederscott, Jan 12, 2018.

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Should e-bikes be considered a subtype of an electric motorcycle?

Poll closed Jan 26, 2018.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. I'm confused by new technology

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  1. shrederscott

    shrederscott Long timer

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    Hi all. :)

    I ask this question because the moderator recently removed a post of mine over this question.

    To me the basic definition of a motorcycle or better yet a motorbike is simply a bicycle that has a motor of any size on it.

    An electric motorcycle is simply a bicycle that has an electric motor versus a conventional internal combustion motor.

    Now we all know that when it comes to motorcycles there are lots of different classes and subtypes of motorcycles with an electric motorcycle simply being one of the newest types.

    It is my position that electric motorcycles can be subdivided between traditional looking motorcycles with an electric motor and traditional looking bicycles with an electric motor that can be powered either via Pedal Power or an electric / hybrid motor.

    These types of motorcycles are commonly referred to as e-bikes.

    I feel that e bikes are simply a subtype of the electric motorcycle and belong in this group.

    I am curious as to what others feel as to this definition

    I look forward to hearing others views on this matter

    Note..... discussions on e-bikes are hidden in the shiny things section.

    Note 2 ..... e bikes seem to be an unloved type of bike by users on both sides .....

    Bike magazines / community do not cover them ( much ) as they view them as a type of motorcycle .... not in keeping to the purity of their sport ... ban them from the bicycle trails is their mantra.

    Motorcycle mags and I guess here as well .... view them as a bike and an affront to their definition of the term motorcycle and do not want anything to do with them.

    Ride on

    Scott
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  2. Sleepyc

    Sleepyc I have a Moto Boner!

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    Gasoline/diesel = Engine
    Electric = Motor.

    An electric motorcycle has a motor.

    A Real Motorcycle has an engine.
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  3. max384

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    That is actually an artificially contrived distinction. Just ask Ford Motor Company or BMW, ponder why our bikes are called motorcycles, or ask NASA why they refer to their liquid fueled engines as motors.

    https://www.nasa.gov/returntoflight/system/system_SRB.html

    If we're being most correct, an engine is a type of motor, but the reverse does not hold true.
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    GordyOZ Been here awhile

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  5. Sleepyc

    Sleepyc I have a Moto Boner!

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    But my short answer is more fun to read. :D
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  6. Andrew

    Andrew Optimus Primer Super Moderator

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    Hi Scott,

    Your post (new thread) was not removed, it was merged into the primary existing thread on electric bicycles over in the Shiny Things section.

    http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/electric-bicycles.1124888/

    I moved it there since that's where inmates have been focusing their discussions on electric bicycles, and that section is where bicycle discussions generally have been taking place, I would argue that the discussion is not "hidden" there at all... not only is it generally shown in the first few pages of threads, it's quickly shown when one searches on "electric" in that section. http://advrider.com/index.php?forums/shiny-things.70/

    I'll also argue that my BMW R1150 is quite definitely not a bicycle. I own several bicycles, love them all, and am also building up another. But the GS is no bicycle.

    My thoughts, generally, are that this new section be for electric or hybrid electric/fueled motorcycles and scooters, vehicles that are not pedal-assisted but rather propel the rider through the engine/motor exclusively. An electrified bicycle with stationary pegs? Fits right at home here.

    But just my thoughts... we're figuring this out, and all viewpoints are welcome.
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  7. _mtg_

    _mtg_ RideGG.com

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    I view it as:

    Electric motorcycle: foot pegs and hand throttle, no max speed

    Electric bicycle: cranks that can or must be used for propulsion, may or may not have hand throttle, max assist speed of 28mph (or 20mph for lower than Class 3). There are laws converging on e-bikes with definitions for Class 1, 2, and 3. Those basically all fall under what I wrote.
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  8. wheresbaoskee

    wheresbaoskee Adventurer

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    Possible simple distinction: Can it be legally ridden on a bicycle path?

    Yes, bicycle. No, motorcycle/scooter.
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  9. shrederscott

    shrederscott Long timer

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    Unfortunately in some places it is legal and others it is not.

    BLM views them as a motorcycle and limits e mountain bikes to ohv routes.

    So I guess by your definition ebikes belong here.

    Scott
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  10. ninjamunky

    ninjamunky ¬°Que buenos son!

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    Were mopeds considered bicycles? They also have pedals. Why should swapping an electric motor for a gas engine make a difference in how they are classified?
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    In France (and in all EU I suppose) , if it is only pedal assist, is limited to 25km/h and 250 W continuous power, it is legally a bicycle.
    Therefore with my Haibike e-mtb, I can legally ride all mountain bikes paths like here :
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    Tenacious B Been here awhile

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    In Texas, if it weighs less than 100lbs and doesn't exceed 20mph then it is an e-bike and does not need to be registered (at least last I checked a few years ago).
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  13. RVDan

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    Yes those annoying little things buzzing along at half the speed limit while the rider puts in no effort should be motorcycles and be paying for insurance just like the rest of us.
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  14. semper-guzzi

    semper-guzzi Been here awhile

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    What if you Buzz along and put in minimal-some effort? I mean, on my ebike, I can do zero effort or i can pedal like mad and get a good cardio in. So what about the actual ebike you can do both ways?

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  15. RVDan

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    Sure to be legal here they have the pedal option, but nobody uses that here. The only ebike riders we have here are
    1. Drunks who have lost their license to drive
    2. Welfare recipients who won't get a job
    3. Homeless people who stole it from a drunk
    4. Young teens who bought a stolen one cheap
    5. People with numerous other reasons that make them unmotivated to get a drivers license and they're too lazy or out of shape to pedal.

    Quite simple, you are the only person I've ever heard of that has actually pedaled one.

    Of course what I talk about is the electric scooters that look like scooters and have removable pedals. The pricey bicycles with electric assist, I don't see them on the street.
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  16. semper-guzzi

    semper-guzzi Been here awhile

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    Yeah, I am none of those you listed. Mine was a bicycle first. Motor came second. It's so much fun to bomb down hills but it's even better when you can bomb up hills. Also, its easy to commute on it. I live less than 3 miles from work. My aircooled bug and sporty wouldn't even be warmed up and I'm at work already. No sweat if I don't want it. Take it out at lunch time and put it on the first level of assist, and I get a great cardio. The only difference from no assist and assist 1 is my speed. 18mph or 24mph. I still put down the same force with my legs although my cadence is faster with assist.

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  17. miksu

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    Definition of a motorcycle is that it can legally go on a motorway (min. 80km/h) and sustain that. With some load on it or otherwise have a frame, wheels etc. which can take abuse or weight.
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    MJSfoto1956 Been here awhile

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    There definitely is some grey area. And it will only get more so as electric and hybrid technology come to dominate the space.
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  19. Dr AT

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    So my kids ttr 50 isn't a motorbike? Do you feel like telling him that?

    We have a group of locals who have illegally modified ebikes with varying performance potential - some are e assist, some have throttle control, but all produce way more than the 250 w / 25 k " legal" limit - which is entirely irrelevant because they are riding on the same ( illegal) single line trails they used to ride enduro bikes on. But I guess those enduro bikes weren't road legal so not motorbikes either?
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    Electric motorcycle should be solely propelled by electric motor, no pedal-assist, no pedaling available to propel the vehicle.

    IMO, hub driven, electric-assist bicycle (that allow pedal & brake re-gen) would be ideal for traffic pattern that plague most urban areas where most population reside.
    Market for pure electric motorcycle that need max speed well above & mega ranger between charges is (much) smaller in comparison to zero-combustion 2-wheel vehicle that is compact, able to travel among (bumper-to-bumper) traffic flow, lightweight, quick charging, shorter range.
    Development for max speed, mega range will always drive the technology advancement, but the demand (units sold) will determine what market trend will be.
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