What should 130 sq feet of sidewalk cost

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  1. Jazz62

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    Mrs Jazz and I are trying to get our old Bungalow in good shape for a sale sometime soon. This job is not one of the more pressing things we're undertaking, but I saw a crew pouring a concrete patio at the end of our block and asked them for a price on our backyard sidewalk. I tried using some "silly I'm sure" online estimators, but it seemed futile.

    The gig entails removal of the existing sidewalk, laying down a gravel substrate (currently there is none), setting up the form and pouring the new sidewalk of 26"W x 60'L x 4"H (130 sq feet). Nothing fancy on the finish.

    Thanks in advance!

    *update* concrete guy got back to me and said $3300 :yikes
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  2. Norty01

    Norty01 RIDERCOACH (RETIRED!)

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    Is the "Environmental Impact Report" already done?

    Yes, it would require an EIR if you were here...
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  3. SnoDrtRider

    SnoDrtRider I've been lost here before...

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    We don't even get permits here unless it is an apron to a road.
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  4. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    our city told us $10,000 / 100 ft I was acceptable a few years ago. that's city money though, so really don't know what that translates to in real money.
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  5. Jazz62

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  6. WrenchMonkey

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    I paid 13$/sq ft for r and r with wire mesh. No gravel substrate beneath.
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  7. Jazz62

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    Thank you. I figured a little higher than that, but these guys are trying to shaft me for $28/sq ft, gravel but no mesh.
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    WrenchMonkey Two wheel slave

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    I also got the good guy discount. I’d realistically expect more like 17-20 per ft. 30 is outrageous
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  9. Jazz62

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    Yeah, I think I got the gringo "discount." Little do they know I likely make much less than them as a jazz musician than they do as laborers.
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  10. muddywater

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    The bad thing about that job for the contractor is the level of effort is about the same for 100 sq/ft or 400 sq/ft.

    Material difference is minimal also.

    (Not saying I would pay that much...)
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  11. Jazz62

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    Good to know - thank you.
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  12. 2old2Bbold

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    If you have a "U-Cart" concrete place near by, they usually know small contractors that will do that kind of thing cheap.
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  13. Steve_h

    Steve_h Been here awhile

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    I was about to say talk to some of the smaller contractors, renovations guys in the area. They might give you a much better deal. The big guys are probably going to be putting off much bigger more profitable jobs to do yours and might not really want to. Could be the reason for the high price.
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  14. Jazz62

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    I can't imagine smaller than what these guys are. 3 Latino guys with a PU truck, no business cards etc.
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  15. kantuckid

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    They took a flier on you for some $$$. Move on to someone realistic. Sadly concrete has lots of lower food chain operators. If the job doesn't take a permit it is a one day job for two people if no excavation, plus the mix. If it's in the ground, flush, stepped off or other stuff, then more $$$.
    Go to you tube, watch some videos and do it yerself? I've been cleaning and refinishing decks. I told my wife(during a water break from this yucky heat/humidity-whew!) that it seems kinda weird to me that when I was a kid I was painting other peoples houses who were my age now (74) and now you remind me that I did a lot of driveways & sidewalks in my teens. I take off a caddy day and worked for my neighbor when he had a job.
    It's hard work(especially when the old, poorly done job comes out for the new work!) but not rocket science for a sidewalk unless grade is sloped and stepped off, etc.. Like with NIKE, "Just do it!":-)
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  16. broncobowsher

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    For reference I'm getting a concrete paver patio put in for about $6 sq/ft. It's 900+ sq/ft so there is some volume pricing, and that does include a compacted base. Just a standard small landscaping company.
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    SnoDrtRider I've been lost here before...

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    Here is a price guide that seems pretty realistic.... Of course it depends on location and cost of the concrete and any delivery charges in your area. Plus add for the jacking and removal/disposal of the old walkway.

    https://www.concretenetwork.com/concrete/walkways/cost.html

    I just re-read your original post and saw the walkway was in the backyard. That will add cost to both removal and the new pour if the contractor cannot get his equipment close enough.
    A skid steer will tear the crap out of your grass so pads will be needed or they will need to use wheelbarrows/power buggies to get materials in and out.
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  18. SnoDrtRider

    SnoDrtRider I've been lost here before...

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    Figuring a 10X13 4" thick pad (130 SF) the calculators say 73 eighty pound bags @ $4.35 each (Home Depot) That is $317 in materials that needs to be mixed (add Labor) That works out to be $2.44 sf for the concrete plus labor to mix it. That is considered a small load for the redi mix guys around here they charge for small delivery. Any way you look at it it is a small job and you will pay a premium for anyone to do a small job like that.

    I bought a mixer at HF for $200 a few years ago when I had to pour a slab for a shed. The larger mixer they sell will handle two 80# bags at a time if you pour it in slowly. I do all of my small work myself.
    Anything big I sub out to a buddy but I do all the prep work and he checks it over and forms it with my help plus I labor for them when they come.

    A few years ago I had him come and do 3 slabs for me... a 20X12 a 12x10 and a 20x10 we prepped one day and he and two of his friends came the next and poured/finished. 560 SF cost me $2500...
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  19. trc.rhubarb

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    Do you have neighbors? Consider trying to tie a couple jobs together so you can get a full truck of concrete.
    The guys generally have to sit around a while, waiting to do the final float and finish work, so if they can do two or three jobs at once, they can make a lot more but often charge quite a bit less total.
    Concrete is also very expensive out here but laying a pathway in a backyard is not precision work or all that difficult. You should be able to find guys to work for cheap and provide your own materials.
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