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Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by onaXR, Jan 18, 2006.

  1. LexLeroy

    LexLeroy Nerds Rule

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    My riding buddy @BaronVonThumper loves his. Why Suzuki didn't put that transmission into the DRZ400 remains one of life's great mysteries.

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    Then too you might consider a DRZ400 with either the ACT or NOVA wide-ratio gear set. Suspension lowering might be in order for you w/ the DRZ however.
  2. Jud

    Jud Long timer

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    I just had my fairly modded XR stolen so I would be going in the other direction. If memory serves, a DR350 with a 440 kit, cam and mild porting makes roughly the same power a stock XR makes. I think gear spread will be close with the 250 gearing. I would be doing RMX USD fork conversion and will try to find a 97-99 dirt model rear shock to rebuild and respring. Should be able to keep the weight under 300lbs even with the extra weight added. Maybe 280-290 even with the extra goodies. If memory serves my XR650L was around 330-340lbs after adding weight from the CRF swap, and skid after a goodly amount of weight reduction

    I got one for my wife years ago and it was fairly stock excepting lowering it for her and a few comfort things and it had stiffer springs front and rear along with different weight oil from the previous owner. Even so, riding it was nice due to the lower weight. Also the DR vibrated a lot less.
  3. alvincullumyork

    alvincullumyork Ol Two Flags

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    How much is all that going to cost? How much time is it going to take to collect all the parts and then install them?

    I went down that road with my XR650L and it was pretty awesome. I could hang with the KTM 500s on the roads and in the straights, power wheelies in 4th, do close to 90 mph with 14/47 sprockets and caught some decent air but at the end of the day I would have been money ahead if I had just bought a bone stock 690 or 500. I got the XRL close to what they can do, a lot closer than most would think but still not as good and I spent a good chunk of money and a bigger chunk of time doing it, and I still had to do more work on the Honda than I have had to do on my KTMs, which for the most part are easier to work on.
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  4. buzzword

    buzzword Been here awhile

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    The right DR250 trans parts are like hen's teeth in the secondary market anymore since it's only a few years that will achieve the desired result, and I've not looked into what it takes to buy them from an OEM supplier in quite some time. IIRC it isn't cheap for OEM parts new, so either way it's spendy.

    RM/RMX forks are easy - I sold my 99 forks and triples for what I paid for a set of RM forks, an Applied top triple, and a front wheel. Bolt on swap with an All Balls bearing on top. The longer RM/RMX forks give the bike some wacky trail, and it ends up kinda chopper-y, but that's easily fixed by lowering the forks internally or raising them in the triples.

    440 kit is fairly easy too, but not cheap. Case has to be machined IIRC but if you're splitting it anyway to do the trans mods, why not?!? Same with cam and porting.

    At the end of the day you'll be at the upper end of performance for the DR platform, while still at the base level of performance for an XRL both in terms of power and suspension, but you know what they say about opinions...

    You do you, @Jud :)


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    ...and the day I drove away...

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  5. alvincullumyork

    alvincullumyork Ol Two Flags

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    If I was on a budget and wanted a bike I could trail and adv ride I'd get a used XR650L throw a high comp piston in it, 14/47 sprockets, bolt on a Clark 4.7 tank, and have some basic suspension work done. If I had just a little bit more money I'd get a 500 and just ride it.

    Since I have no kids and a decent job I have a 17 300 for off road, a 18 250SX-F for MX, an 07 950SE for travel and ADV class racing, and a 79 DT125 to remind myself how bad suspension and lack of power feel like. Life is to short to ride slow bikes.
  6. buzzword

    buzzword Been here awhile

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    ...and this is why I got a physically bigger bike...

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    alvincullumyork Ol Two Flags

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    Bwahahahahaha :rofl:rofl:rofl

    That's awesome!
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  8. buzzword

    buzzword Been here awhile

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    something something about a monkey violating some sports equipment...
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  9. aTuWitty

    aTuWitty Been here awhile

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    Alvin, side question- there's a guy in the Sacramento area who has been trying to unload a KLR650 with a Ducati motor swap (I think it's the 900 engine?) for years (I see it pop up every few months). Would you be more likely to ride it or throw it off a cliff?
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  10. alvincullumyork

    alvincullumyork Ol Two Flags

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    I'd pull the motor and cut the remaining parts up into 3" segments, separate them by metal and then melt them down before shitting on each pile. I would then track down the guy who hurt that poor Duc motor and drop it on him...
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  11. aTuWitty

    aTuWitty Been here awhile

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    You, sir, have just answered my question- I had been considering a DR350 just for funsies to go into my menagerie, but at 6'5, that seems a wee bit too cramped for my taste!
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    aTuWitty Been here awhile

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    Geez, I thought I was a vindictive and angry guy... :D That would be a well-deserved punishment, though.
  13. buzzword

    buzzword Been here awhile

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    Yep - you'd be even worse off. I'm 6'2" + 200 lbs, so anyone bigger than me would really be in a world of hurt. If it were a lightweight bike that size that you could throw around, that'd be one thing, but it's kind of a pig to begin with.
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    fritzcoinc Enjoying my last V8

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    He said " keeping up ain't high on my list".
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    ONandOFF more off than on

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    Carnegie?
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  17. Minidragon

    Minidragon Long timer

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    That!..combo tough/race bikes isn't what i'd imagine the (2T) bikes would be ++,goood.Also what had me wondered why your L started braking (frame cracks) apart from your "L owners-abusement-ship":D. f.ex the 300 frame use steel frame also (alloy subframe?) weight difference might be a good reason why the 300 dont crack frames ++ or ?
    What else broke on the XRL / has not broken on the 300 ?
    Honda shouldve beefed up that subframe a bit..
  18. buzzword

    buzzword Been here awhile

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    aww yiss!
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  19. Freshdonuts

    Freshdonuts All tortise no hare.

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    Ypu guys are Goliaths. Whats lunch look like... Whole loaf of bread and a whole jar of PB & J?
    Dozen eggs for breakfast ?

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  20. Jud

    Jud Long timer

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    See, me and you are on polar opposites of the spectrum. You are a young, tall guy that likes racing and really fast trail riding. I am short fat old guy that just likes to ride in the woods but I also know what it’s like to ride something like a DR or DRZ with a close ratio box where you have an hour of freeway and then ruts, roots and rocks. I also want a bike I can hit the OHV trails with my 7yr old grandson and maybe do a little camping off of.

    You have a 950se as your adv bike. I have ST. The 950se is a dream bike for me but it is simply too much for me. At a 30 inch inseam, lowering the bike to fit me would be a ridiculous idea. I also want nothing to do with the maintenance schedule. Once again, I know you think that issue is overblown but there is no way a KTM 950se is going to be as trouble free and maintenance free as my ST or my old DL or FJR. Nothing but oil changes in 100K+ miles from the DL or the FJR. I had the valves checked at 30-40K miles on both, both were fine and I never looked into them again. Nothing.

    I never raced my XR650L, I liked it better than my DR once I modded the seat, lowered the CRF forks internally and rear. Why did I like the XR better than the DR? I actually think my DR650 was smoother and it was marginally faster stock to stock and the DR was lower so it wasn’t any of that right?

    The XR was lighter though and once I added the CRF forks, resprung and rebuilt the rear and lowered it the difference in roughish trails I ride was like night and day. I geared the bike 14/48 if memory serves and while it was buzzing like a bee on the hwy I could still keep up with normal traffic while riding to my favorite trails. My DRs close gear box made hwy riding with the same sorta trail gearing suck so bad I resorted to running no countershaft cover and using a large E clip so swapping front sprockets could be done somewhat fast.

    The XR, especially once I modded it was much better than the DR due to it’s lighter weight, better suspension and mostly,,,,,, it’s wider gearbox. In the 8-10yrs and maybe 40K miles that I have owned it I adjusted the valves two, maybe three times. I changed the oil and filter and maybe cleaned the foam filter half a dozen times. Never worried about coolant, radiators, thermostats. Never have remove the cams to change shims, never had to trek to the dealer for shims, water pumps or hoses. No way in hell I could have done that with a KTM. I had no intention of getting anything else. The XR handled the well enough for me off road and well enough on road to where I tormented more than a few squids on sport bikes.

    But,,,, moot point now since it was stolen right?!!!! So, while I like the XR I’m thinking that the things that made me like it over the DR650 are the same things that would make me like a 280lb modified DR350 over the XR,,,,,,,, maybe?????

    Money is a wash. I can buy a DR350 all day long for 1-1.5K$. I’m betting all the mods I want could be done for around 2.5-3K$. That’s about the same price as a modded WR250, would weigh the same or less and have more torque, prolly handle better too if the WR had OE suspension. That’s the bottom range on an older KTM.

    Yes, the KTM 500 would kill it in power and handling but it would cost more, keep costing more in money and maintenance time. And it’s sky high for my 30 inch inseam so I would lower it costing more money if I do it right like I would with a DR350.

    Believe me, I’m not knocking the KTMs. For a young fit dude with a 36 inch inseam that races and hauls ass with buddies it’s a no brainer. Just try to understand our huge physical differences and the differences on how we use the bikes.
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