XSR700 Scrambler

Discussion in 'Some Assembly Required' started by Chris S, Jul 21, 2017.

  1. Chris S

    Chris S Been here awhile

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    Question.

    Can you take one of these?
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    And make it into one of these?
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    Answer: not really but let’s try anyway and see if a basic version can be knocked
    up by October for Morocco.

    Donor bike: 2016 XSR700 with <2000 miles on the clock before matey took a prang.
    This is the good side. Other side NSFW.
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    I spent a long time scrutinising those ebay pix while the counter clicked, hoping
    someone would bid just once so I wouldn't have to say to myself
    'OMG, what have I done?' and get on with something else.
    Meantime, my assessment and costing suggested it looked worse than it was.
    There’s probably a psychological name for that sort of thinking.

    Ten seconds to go, no bids so I make my move.
    Congratulations on your purchase. Please pay immediately and arrange for collection
    within 5 days or your account will be suspended
    .’

    Make room in the barn for bike #58!
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    Fast forward a busy couple of months to complete a day or two’s actual surgery…
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    Pour in some oil and coolant, press the button… fingers crossed…
    No nasty noises from unrecovered fragments mashing with gears.
    Uncross fingers and e x h a l e.

    Slap on a new headlamp, the cheapest on ebay (as used by Kai Ju on his CBR1000RR, I notice).
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/351787095990
    Would have liked a fat, 8-inch Baja jobby – always dug that look – but too many pounds in money and ounces.

    Time quick spin up the coast…
    http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/xsr700-an-evening-on-nw-scotland’s-nc500.1238022/

    … and a week later the XSR runs down from Scotland to London like it was new,
    doing around 61 of your American miles to the gallon.
    Probation? Passed! so let’s call it

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    More to come
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  2. JagLite

    JagLite Long timer

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    Excellent! :beer
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  3. never2old4fun

    never2old4fun Been here awhile

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    Nice work, but I wish Yamaha would have imported the XSR 700 to the states so we could have been able to have some fun with those bikes, too.:nod
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  4. Kai Ju

    Kai Ju Long timer

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    Looking forward to watching this come together.

    Question for you though. I have yet to ride my CBR at night, how's that headlight work in the dark ? Yeah, I know....
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  5. Kai Ju

    Kai Ju Long timer

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    The grass is greener on the other side of the fence.
    Or should I say that the bikes are cooler/better on the other side of the pond.

    I wonder if Europeans ever pine after bikes that we get, and they don't....nah.
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  6. lesman

    lesman Live easy, Brake Hard

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    Has there ever been an instance where the US got better bikes than the Europeans? Even Canada has gotten way cooler bikes(Gamma and the TZ's, etc)
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  7. Wildebeest90210

    Wildebeest90210 Long timer

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    Just the one...:D

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  8. 16VGTIDave

    16VGTIDave Reaver made me do it...

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    Hey! What are you implying when you say "Even Canada"?!?!?! :dirtdog
    Oh, wait. :hmmmmm
    Yeah, okay. Never mind. :fpalm
    Sorry, eh...


    :hide
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  9. lesman

    lesman Live easy, Brake Hard

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    Eh, I never badmouth Canada. According to most Americans, Canada is part of Europe or Iceland. America is the taint of the Motorcycle market. Why? We are such a friendly people.
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  10. Eddieb

    Eddieb Long timer

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    Find some XT forks or something and a longer Yamaha shock and you might most of the way there.
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  11. tinwelp

    tinwelp Professional Idiot

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    To the uninitiated, the US biking population love Harleys, and in Europe a Harley isn't really considered a real bike as they're generally slow and struggle with corners... each to their own, eh? ... thus, real bikes don't make it to the US!

    A massive oversimplification of the complexity of motorcycling and its genres? Yes, but marketing types base their opinions on statistics and the good folks of the US sure do buy a lot of HD products.

    Just my tuppence-worth.

    Cheers... Paul
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  12. Steve_h1963

    Steve_h1963 Adventurer

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    Harsh, but possibly true Paul
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  13. DesertSurfer

    DesertSurfer Tail sprayin

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    Also America is very Motocross-Centric too... Other then that, not too much market alertness and diversity in between... Sadly. Oh how I would have loved an early Africa Twin XL750 R or Tenere 750.

    Motorcycling was set back in the US 20 years because those were omitted.
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  15. Chris S

    Chris S Been here awhile

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    Work proceeds here in 10-day increments: the time it takes for backordered Yamaha parts to turn up, or used parts get sent from Germany or Texas.
    Lucky for you, you get an edited version with progess at seeming breakneck speeds.

    It all kicked off with a single disc, 19-inch XVS950 wheel on ebay for £130.
    Taking what I'd learned from following and then using Rally Raid's CB500X in Morocco
    (the most popular page on my website for over 18 months) I got stuck in.

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    In case you're wondering, yes there are other XSRwheel options for twin-discs:
    • S10 hub (too wide and mucho aggro the Greek builders of the bike below told me)
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    • XT660Z hub (rare used and spoked; below);
    • SM Pro XTZ hub (below right) costs 15% more and is blue
    • Borrani/Kimeo wheelsets in 17-inch only (as on Tracker above) and costing almost more than my bike's worth
    (and Borrani won't sell just a hub - well, not to me)
    The l o n g version on all this is here.

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    The good thing with the XVS950 wheel is:
    • it was cheap
    • it was there
    • it was black and round
    • it retains tubelessness
    • up to a point, it matches the rear

    If the braking (see below) turns out to an out-and-out catastrophe, I'll cough up a new XTZ hub for £180, spoke on
    a 19er Excel and settle for tube or Outex/BARTubless it.

    For readers outside the US, this is an XVS950 V-Star / Bolt. As alluded to in the 'them vs us'
    debate above, in Europe it's the sort of bike people who don't know much about bikes tend to ride
    - a mock Sportster. But I bet snobby Brit bikerz might actually like it if they tried (as long as their
    mates weren't watching).

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    And Yamaha just released the Scrambler 950 version here. Scrambler you say? It manages to
    weigh 65kg more than the XSR. I'm not sure that will be a hit here either – the BMW and
    Ducati Scrams look and probably run 10 times better.

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    XVS950s run bigger ø rotors on 6 bolts, so task #1 was to find the same ø rotor as the
    XSR (284mm / 5 bolt) but in 6-bolt XVS wheel dims, so it would fit the XSR caliper.
    Let me tell you: TFF the Inter Net!

    Only a few hours later I discover that XT660Z fronts, FJ12 and V-Max rears will fit.
    Plenty of Chinese pattern-ware, with the cheapest being an OE vented V-Max job.
    'Click to buy'

    Line it up and CLANG - XSR calipers foul the XVS 'spokes'. Darn.

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    Twin four-pot calipers can strangle a herd of cats at 500 paces – XSR/MT/FZ07s stop as well
    as the best sports bikes (according to Bike mag). Braking to spare, imho.
    A lot of bikes run unnecessarily heavy double-rotor fronts - not least my old XTZ660.
    Meanwhile, your cooking, quarter-ton 950 Yam V-twins runs a single sliding caliper.
    Took me a while looking for slimmer four-potters before I worked out an
    XVS caliper (below) will fit my XSR fork mounts.
    That is alignment enough for the moment.

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    Shout out for ebay breaker mototech271 deep in the heart of Texas – $25 for a near new caliper with hose plus the
    same in tax and post. Great service and packing.
    By chance I didn't have to buy an XVS rotor. XVS pads lined right up with V-Max rotor.
    Perhaps the 7mm rotor radius difference between XSR/V-Max and XVS is in the caliper size
    not the fork mounts (don't bother too much trying to work that one out).

    Next - pin down the wheel spacers once the missing bearing was fitted.
    I bought a bunch of 3mm washers with 17mm (spindle) ID and ascertained I needed 28mm width and
    28mm ø to fit the XVS's oil seals.

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    That would have been another 10-day wait-cation until Desert Rider Jon stepped in with his Chinese
    lathe, ventilated and well lit garage equipped with other fine machinery, and quite days at work.
    'South Fork' I call his place whenever I visit.
    Me, I live in Plastic Fork, SE19.

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    In the meatime, at the ATFF, Scut let me have a spin on his CRF500L.
    That bike is no less than 25% lighter than a regular CB500X and 30% less than my CB500XRR.
    Some people have the mentality (perhaps also a South Fork-like garage) to master these complex SARs.
    I am not one of these people and, recognising this sad truth, I keep it simple.

    So, wheel and caliper lined up BUT WAIT - the V-Max rotor needs a 7.6mm spacer behind it to
    centre right in the jaws of the XVS caliper. Miller Jon is on the case with the item below.

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    A braided Venhill hose is hooked up and bled.
    The ABS sensor gets bodged in place with a sawn-down redundant reflector bracket.

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    Lines up just by the XVS ABS ring but I fear the different ring may not compute with the XSRs
    ABS system. In a short ride the ABS dash light does not go out.
    'Prabliem', as they say in Russia.
    Could be fixed by fitting the XSR's smaller ABS ring over the top. Or it could it be that the XSR's ABS ring was on the
    other, RHS of the wheel (below) so the ring is running in the other direction – isn't it? Does it matter? Eta prabliem?
    Anyway, I'll have brakes, if not the original, cat-stangling 4-pot set up.

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    Not much clearance on the fork brace - easily fixed.
    A rear TY250 'universal rear fender' is in the post, too.
    Will be ugly and wide - you won't see me in Yamaha's Yard Built newsletter.
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    but it'll be functional in a spray-catching sense.

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    In the meantime, some low-level farkalage:
    Used Givi tail rack, half price off ebay (3.2kg)
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    SW Motech 'spoiler' which will have to be the basis of a sump guard (2kg)
    Can't see that lasting Morocco.
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    (Sadly, my sweet-sounding Akra twin pipe didn't fit round it, but there are more used OE
    XSR pipes on ebay than people who want them. Weight is the same 7kg).
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    Some cheap Chinese fork-preloaders. Might be shite; worth a try.
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    My old Barks and Spitfire screen being reused on a 4th bike.

    So there we are. Six to 8 weeks before I leave for Morocco for a batch of tours.
    Time enough to assess the conversion and braking, slip on a fender and a rear shock with
    a bit of added length, pad out the side stand, fit some K60s or similar, saddle her up and
    hit the road.

    More to come.

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    Fyi, for some reason I never get notifications of replies on advrider. I'm not ignoring you all.
    Kai Ju - not ridden it at night either, but that time will come.
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  16. Chris S

    Chris S Been here awhile

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    I just got a shock :-))

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    Delivered in a nice pillowy case.

    Tyres are in, too.
    Mudguard zip-tied on once I trod on the fork brace.
    More news shortly.

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  17. Kai Ju

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    Fyi, for some reason I never get notifications of replies on advrider. I'm not ignoring you all.
    Kai Ju - not ridden it at night either, but that time will come.

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    I actually have finally had a chance to ride mine at night. Great beam separation of low and high so I wasn't blinding anyone and output seemed to be ok on either beam. Mind you, this is in Suburbia so there is always quite a bit of ambient light. I'll be curious how it will be in the boonies on a moonless night.
    But so far, so good.
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  18. Chris S

    Chris S Been here awhile

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    I also rode mine back through South London the other night. There was a weird spot of light above the dipped beam, but don't think it dazzles.
    Was OK but like you say, got my 30-odd quid's worth, but moonless boonies will be the true test.
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  19. Chris S

    Chris S Been here awhile

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    Good news People of America; they have decided you can have the XSR7 after all. Enjoy #fastersons
    https://www.yamahamotorsports.com/sport-heritage/models/xsr700

    Meanwhile my Scrambled Egg is just about finished.

    Rear fender from a TY250 + 'quick release' zip tie fittings.
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    Wilbers 640 Blueline, as mentioned. Wound out to the max 10mm extension = ~ twice that at the seat.
    And rebound damping. Yummy.
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    Some throwover stays - or 'RURTS' as I call them (in homage to Y Chouinard) for my Kriega Duo 36
    saddlebags which are in the post.
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    A set of Heidi K60s - 10,000-mile tyres (as long as the blocks last).
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    Plus a hardwired Montana, some Hot Grips and a Tutoro Chain Oiler (the best way of doing it, IMO).

    Look how slim that bike is. I need to take a leaf out of that book.
    That's what I like with these underpipes. Besides the mass centralisation and despite the loss
    in clearance, it sure tidies a bike up and enables slimmed in luggage.
    Al Jesse would approve.
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    As you can see I need to address the Sidestand in the Room.
    The bodger in me wants to drill a hole through the ss foot and bolt on a chopped off end of that 2-by-4.
    Yes, yes it does the job but will look shite - like a bit of wood bolted to a sidestand.
    Wake TF Up! It's not 1981 anymore

    Luckily FZ/MT07s ss's are the same and there are now plenty of breakers on ebay.
    For 20 quid I'll send one to a mate who swears he has some magic cream which
    can make my ss an inch longer in no time.
    With an 1/8th inch sandplate welded on the foot, I won't have to park on slopes.

    Still, nice to have most of the task completed a month before setting sail for Morocco.
    May send a few pics from there.

    Enjoy your MY18 XSR7s, guys. Looking forward to seeing your adv takes down the track.
    A lot of ways doing it better for sure; but as cheap - not sure ;-)

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  20. Kai Ju

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    A Hockey Puck works really well as a side stand extender. It also doubles as a large foot that won't sink into the muck.
    You can use sheet metal screws to attach it. Through the stock foot into the puck.
    It might even work to retract the side stand in that first left hander if you forgot to retract it, and the safety switch is disabled/disconnected.
    Cheap and effective. Not to mention it's more attractive than a piece of 2x4...
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